Friends,
If you are reading this post, you undoubtedly have an SBA guaranteed loan and are having problems with it.
Please read this post and a number of others listed and linked below. You will learn a lot, as there is much misinformation being spread about which borrowers are relying upon. Sources for reliable information are almost non-existent. This may be the only available source for real reliable information.
One must be knowledgeable to launch a meaningful defense and a powerful offense.
Start here, then call me. There are many more posts in this blog regarding SBA defaulted loan workouts, read them, learn what can be done, then call us.
- Phone: 413.584.2581
- Fax: 413.549.2968
- Email: info@secondwindconsultants.com
SBA guaranteed loan workout myths….do not believe everything you hear
Do you need a lawyer for an SBA workout?
SBA Loans can be dangerous. Be careful.
Do not feel bad about defaulting on your SBA guaranteed loan, your covered.
SBA workouts, bank workouts, all workouts, are a business negotiation, not a legal issue.
Debt workouts…, too good to be true?
Co-signing a guaranty to the SBA or any note. What does it mean?
Surprise! No negative credit issues from defaulted SBA guaranteed loans!
…call Norman, in my office, at 413-584-2581. He will arrange a no-obligation tele-conference call for us to discuss your issues and I will suggest a possible action plan and the results you may anticipate.
No matter what you have heard, defaulted SBA guaranteed loans can be resolved favorably for the borrower.
Call me we can talk about it.
An SBA guaranteed loan workout…what can be done?
There is this urban lore that I frequently hear that claims that SBA loans cannot be worked out, paid off short with a compromised conclusion and with forgiveness of the shortfall.
It ain’t so. It can be done. I do it for my clients. (see, Yes, the seemingly impossible is possible! SBA workouts can go very well indeed. Two recent examples.)
It is difficult, as with any workout negotiation, and one must have a clear understanding of the SBA’s rules and requirements, however it can be done successfully if the situation is handled correctly and the timing is correct.
In fact the SBA (Small Business Administration) has its own Offer In Compromise forms, and will negotiate a settlement indirectly, through your corresponding banker.
That’s both good and bad as its both the bank and the SBA that must be satisfied and each has its own rules and requirements. But in the end it’s the SBA that controls the results, although it’s the banks you talk with and that makes for some confusion as frequently the bank or its attorneys are not telling you the truth…at all. I hear stories about misinformation everyday!
The SBA does however have some strong requirements that are fast and hard and must be understood to avoid wasting time and being frustrated.
1. The SBA requires that the breaching business no longer be operational when an offer is made. This is also an important part of the strategy and must be evaluated very carefully as to how this is handled in order to serve your own best interest. This is not cut and dry but subject to many important and valuable options. The business may continue if handled effectively.
2. All the business assets must be liquidated. This is another important part of a workout plan, which must also be handled appropriately and can be accomplished in your own best interests. Liquidation takes many forms.
3. A significant legal effort by the bank to recapture any potential cash must have been implemented before an offer will be contemplated. In other words the bank must exhaust its legal remedies and all the collateral must have been liquidated before a negotiation for the shortfall can occur. There is some flexibility here, and this is a very important area of great concern, as many homes act as collateral for the loans and yes they can and will be liquidated if this issue is not handled correctly.
4. All the guarantors, including your spouse if he/she signed the guarantees must deal with this issue effectively and completely. If not a spouse, then each guarantor sinks or swims on their own merits. If the debt is guaranteed by both husband and wife, there are greater difficulties which must be worked out effectively and can be, mainly the marital home.
Each guarantor other than husband and wife, must file his or her own offer in compromise and create their own negotiation settlement.
Frequently this also becomes a source for negotiation as we want to resolve all the issues in one global resolution for all parties involved. This can be a challenge.
Keeping in mind, that the bank actually lent you the money, in most situations the SBA merely guaranteed the payback up to 80%, but since the SBA will pay the bank, they require the bank, as its agent, to exercise all due diligence and to exhaust its legal remedies to collect as much as possible or the bank may potentially violate the terms of the guaranty and lose the payback guaranty. This is the source and reason for a tough bank collection practice and a no compromise attitude.
Your lending bankers support and cooperation is important in developing a successful workout, and without a good banker relationship a good workout conclusion is harder to achieve. A third party expert can play a very effective role in this situation.
The overall principles remain the same, maximum collection under the financial circumstances of the borrowers situation, clearly however this is subject to interpretation and effective presentation.
It takes time, approximately 6-8 months. The SBA is a political beast and over the years, depending on various political issues, they can be easier or harder to workout loan shortfalls.
At the moment I believe the SBA is suffering many losses thus they want to stem the flow of loss, but their mission is to support the small business owners, the borrowers, so the results are mostly depending upon the quality of the preparation and presentation, tough, I would say.
The SBA and the banks are very busy and reviews files in the order they are received. They typically ask for additional information, once under review, to better understand the financial condition of the guarantors and thus it can be an extremely long procedure, which can take many months, to conclude. The first offer is universally rejected, demanding a higher offer which many applicants provide. There are alternate strategies which work more effectively then simply raising the offer.
Once rejected, I have had success in modifying the offer further, the “second wave” negotiation I call it, adjusting the terms and conditions and even lowering the payoffs further than previously offered, based on the realities of the borrowers condition because of the long passage of time, more erosion of the borrowers financial condition can occur, and adjusting the terms of payback resulting in a lower offer as a response.
This second pass is very important and can yield extraordinary results.
You know were you are headed before anyone else, thus planning is critical for the best outcome for the borrower. Preparation for a workout is critical for the best results.
Definitely hire someone experienced and therefore knowledgeable regarding the practices of the SBA and such workout scenarios and it will all work out for the best for you. Do not experiment, do not do it yourself, do not listen to advice from the bank.
Additionally, there are sometimes serious potential tax consequences regarding workouts and forgiveness of debt which can be quite devastating and must be considered throughout the workout negotiation, or one runs the risk of solving one problem while creating another almost as large. Remember debt forgiveness is converted to ordinary income for IRS purposes and ordinary income calculations. There are many exceptions available, there are strategies around this issue.
I would be delighted to review your case and without obligation make recommendations.
Call Norm at 413-584-2581 he will arrange a no obligation tele-conference. We can discuss your specific circumstances and design an effective strategy that will yield the best results. You can proceed with it or I can implement the plan on your behalf, that’s your decision once you are more knowledgeable about what the possibilities may be.
I await your call.
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thank you, I look forward to speaking with you.
Hi,
My father in law passed in June of 2005 leaving behind a big mess. He stopped filling out tax returns in 1996. He had over $1 million in the stock market(alot of that was on margin) which was unbeknown to us. We think that was the start of his Alzheimer’s disease. At the time of his death, he owed the IRS over $100,000 for not paying taxes in 1996 alone. When the market crashed he lost almost all his money. After his death, we were hit by Hurricane Katrina and lost everything in his place(no insurance) as well as everything we owned. We hired an attorney almost 4 years ago which to help with the mess but as of today, we don’t know what is going on with the estate. We sold what was left of his condo for $29,000 but everything else was lost in the flood. His estate does have some oil revenues(just the rights not the land) coming in to the lawyer which should be well over $30,000 by now. His stocks after margin are probably worth around $50,000 and he had a few credit card bills as well as hospital and dr bills left unpaid. The lawyer is a high paid lawyer from New Orleans and he hasn’t given us much hope of having any money left after the IRS is paid. My question to you is does the IRS work with parties to lower the penalties and interest on these old tax burdens? How long does this take and shouldn’t we have heard something by now? We do not get updates from this lawyer and I am wondering if he is even doing anything! IS there any avenue for us? I appreciate any help you may give, Thank you, Debbie Major
Debbie, you are entitled to an accounting and knowing exactly what he is doing and were the process is. Tell him you are unsatisfied, want a complete accounting and if he refuses telll him you will report him to the board of bar overseers. But first ask him for the accounting, only if he does not give it to you then threaten him with reporting him..Its taking way too long and interest abd penalties have been building every year. He should have filed and paid long ago. He may be costing you a small fortune in waiting…get to the bottom of it.
see comment. However the answer is you are entitled to a direct accounting and report on where you stand, The time delay is too long and you are entitled to know what he is charging and for what and what is happening.Demand same.If it does not come quickly and completely tell him you will complain to the board of bar overseers, the board that controls lawyers. that should get some action.
Don, submitted the Offer to Compromise as directed. Things have gone sideways now. the bank has sent Demand of Payment letters. Seeking payment by Aug 3rd. Almost as if they have ignored the Offer. I have asked for a meeting to resolve the matter. What is the next move?
They probably rejected the offer and need to be worked harder…can’t really tell without being involved and more informed.But clearly yoiu need some effective intervention and representation, call Norm at my office 413-584-2581 and he will arrange a no obligation teleconference. Don
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A business broker sold me a flooring business in Ga. that turned out to be my ruin. The lawyer he introduced to me stole 10k from me the state bar is now investigating. The bank he got the loan through the FDIC says that there was not enough cash flow to justify this loan yet the bank is allowed to take my properties as collateral. How can this be legal?
It is legal until someone sues for damages. You signed the agreement so hey have the right to do what they are doing, if thee is wrong doing it must be uncovered and redressed.
If a SBA loan is given against there SBA or there own loan criteria can the bank be libel for that?
The bank is refusing to hand over the file. They say it is privileged info. I am not aware of any doctor & patient, lawyer & client relationship with a bank loan. Are they hiding something or is this just lazyness on the part of the banks lawyer here in NY?
You need to reconsider your approach. This will never work irrespective of what transgressions you believe the bank committed. Try another route.
My business is really slow right now. I am 4 months behind on a Capital 1 SBA guaranteed loan for 75K, 1100/mo. This is the only loan/credit card that I have fallen behind on (past 30 days). When I first knew I wouldn’t be able to make my payment on time I called them to see if they could defer a couple of payments. They said they wouldn’t defer any payments since it was an SBA backed loan. Now I’m four months behind. I see one of your other responses stated that they can defer up to six months of payments. If they would do this I think I could get the business back on the right track to repay all my debtors. Is there another way to ask them for deferment?
A deferment is totally up to the bank, they have the authority to grant you one, ask again.We cannot force it, but they should give it.
My wife & I closed our business Apr ‘09. We had put 300,000.00 into it. We took a 250,000.00 SBA loan from our bank. They secured 200,000.00 of it with our equipment the remaining 50K was a lein against our home. At the time of closing we still owed 98k. The bank resisted when we wanted to shut the doors as we were in negotiations to sell it. We explained with the first quarters financials we could see it had become a lemon and it would be unethical to sell it. The bank stated there were many unemployed people looking to buy a job. We feel they wanted us to pawn it off on someone just so they could get a portion of the money we owed. When we informed them the landlord expected to be paid first or he would not approve the sale
the bank changed tactics. Now it was ok to shut the doors but the equipment was theirs. They were going to auction it off – proceeds going to the outstanding SBA. They had closed our bank account and taken what was in it.
They asked for a letter relinquishing the equipment to them so they could auction it off. We were furious to find they had sold it for 20k to the buyer we had found and been negotiating with. (it was a franchise – the franchise co. was only too happy to help as they charged the new owner the current franchise fee of 35k) Well the 20k is all we got towards the SBA so now we owe 78K. The interest paid on this loan over the 7 yrs was 91,726.00. We are trying a offer in compromise – we owe 123,000.00 in vendor debt, 191,000.00 in mortage, personal debt of 16,000.00 (our house is worth 260,000.00 per tax value)The bank played hard ball but finally submitted an offer but say the SBA wants my retirement acct balance. What gives? We are so broke because of this business venture. How can they go after the retirement $ – which I haven’t been able to contribute to in 5 yrs.
Darin,
They cannot go after it, it is protected, do not give it up…it is not the SBA that is driving this deal but is the banker…Insis on making an Offer in Compromise. I cannot recommend what it should be without a through evaluation of your financial condition.